Garcia

Black Mountain Boys

03/06/1964
Palo Alto, CA
Top of the Tangent


SBD->Cassette->CDR->TAE->SHN


01  Instrumental
02  Katie Mine (??)
03  Intros
04  Homestead on the Farm
05  Banter
06  Bare Foot Nellie
07  Banter
08  She's More to Be Pitied than Scolded
09  Tuning
10  They Can Lock Up Me Up For Loving You
11  The Hand of the Lord
12  Banter
13  Who'll Sing for Me
14  Darling Aller Lee



Jerry Garcia - Banjo
Eric Thompson  - Guitar
David Nelson - Mandolin
Jim Beemis - Bass

sector boundaries corrected and seek tables appended - wagner 12/0/02
Extra header data stripped with shntool and re-shn'ed by
terrapinstation 06/09/2003



Black Mountain Boys
Palo Alto, CA
Top of the Tangent
03-07-64 (partial)

SBD->Cassette->CDR->TAE->SHN

01  Happy Birthday
02   
03  Darling Aller Lee
04  Tuning
05  Ocean of Diamonds

Black Mountain Boys
Palo Alto, CA
Top of the Tangent
03-07-64 (partial)

SBD->Cassette->CDR->TAE->SHN>flac sector aligned
more likely line patch from pa system>MR>R>C>CD>DAE>

01  Happy Birthday
02  ??
03  Darling Aller Lee
04  Tuning
05  Ocean of Diamonds

got this from the late grate tol (rip) removed non canonical headers and fixed sbes>flac
this is derived from http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=20752

I'd seed the original shn's but I've already seeded these flacs more than once, and don't 
have the shn's anymore
rj Hythloday  bob loy


Black Mountain Boys
64-03-07
Unknown Location (probably The Top of the Tangent, Palo alto, CA)


Aud MR > ? > cass

Jerry Garcia - banjo
Sandy Rothman - guitar
David Nelson - mandolin
Robert Hunter (Jim Beamas) - bass

Transferred at 24-bit, 96kHz and edited by Dan McDonald (droncit@yahoo.com).  I got this on cassette in the
mid-1990s from someone whom I've forgotten the name of.  He wrote in very tiny letters on purple post-it
notes.  If you are that person, please get in touch.

Transferred using the flat transfer method, using my converted Nakamichi BX1.  Correct curve applied through DC9 (alpha).
No noise reduction.  This recording is in dual-channel mono.  Gain-normalized to -1.0 dB.  Converted to 16/44.1
using triple precision and triangular dithering.  It's a little hissy, but not bad.  There was a gap between
Sourwood Mountain and If I Lose, so songs could be missing.
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

--Set 2--
201 - Intro
202 - Sourwood Mountain**
203 - If I Lose
204 - Homestead on the Farm
205 - Pig in a Pen
206 - Once More
207 - Stoney Creek
208 - Two Little Boys
209 - Salty Dog
210 - Rosalie McFall
211 - Teardrops in My Eyes
212 - New River Train
213 - Love Please Come Home***
214 - Make Me a Pallet on Your Floor
215 - John Hardy outro//

**Listed on my tape as Sawwood Mountain, but it sounds like a modification of Sourwood Mountain to me.
***Listed on my tape as Please Come Home
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Dan's tape and The Black Mountain Boys:

This tape has been in circulation for years, but this is the first time it has been digitized and circulated.

The Black Mountain Boys formed in the fall of 1963. The original line up included Eric Thompson on guitar.
According to a recent aricle by Eric, he states that he left for a stint on the east coast early in 1964.
Eric was replaced by Sandy Rothman. In a few periods of banter on Dan's tape you can hear Jerry/David
referring to Sandy. With this information we know this tape was recorded after Eric left in 1964.

In another recent article, Sandy tells of he and Jerry going on a road trip in the spring and early summer of '64
visiting various notable bluegrass artists. He may have been at the Union Grove Fiddler's Convention over Easter
weekend to at least listen to Doc Watson. A short time later he met David Grisman at a Bill Monore show in
Pennsylvania. Jerry's ultimate goal was to be hired to play in Bill Monroe's band. I guess we should say,
fortunately that didn't work out and after the letdown the pair wound their way back west. Sandy states that upon their
return to the Bay Area in the summer, the bluegrass scene had shifted and Jerry may have been unable to hook up with
accomplished players and form a new band.Then again not being able to land job with Monroe, maybe he was ready to
move on. It is also at this point that Jerry reconnected with Bob and met Pigpen. And it wasn't long after they
formed Mother McCrees Uptown Jug Champions. This little bit of history forces us to conclude Dan's tape had to have
been recorded during the late winter of 1964.

To this point there have been three fragments of shows performed by The Black Mountain Boys in general circulation.
The first (17914) is dated 3/06/64. This source seems to include the entire first set of a show. However, Eric
Thompson is on guitar. Sandy clearly has stated that he and Eric did not play together in the band. Therefore,
it is almost certain this source should be dated in late 63 to very early in 64.

A second undated source from 1964 (35145) includes 4 tracks, 3 songs and some banter. This is a portion of the
same recording as is on Dan's tape. The recording on this source is of poorer quality than Dan's and at this point
we can religate it to the dustbin.

The third source (35142) is dated 3/07/64. There is nothing in the banter to suggest who is on guitar, but if
you compare Sandy's voice on Homestead on the Farm from Dan's tape with the lead vocalist on Nine Pound Hammer
from this source, there is little doubt that it is Sandy singing. While this source probably was recorded at
the 3/7 show, there is nothing in the listening that can serve to confrim that. Howeve, we do know that this
recording was pulled from the middle of a set and does not include any material found on Dan's tape. The recording
is sonically similar to Dan's and may well be from the same master. Wihout evidence to the contrary, I think
the listed 3/7 date is correct.

The songlist is as follows:

01  ..//..//Happy Birthday (Noah?)//
02  Nine Pound Hammer
03  Darling Aller Lee
04  Tuning
05  Ocean of Diamonds//


Dan's tape dated 3/07/64 starts with a minute and a half of stage banter/tuning followed by a short selection of
Sourwood Mountain. Dan states that there was a gap between Sourwood Mountain and the third track, If I Lose. From
the banter at the beginning of the tape, it is clear the intial banter/tuning > Sourwood Mountain is the
beginning of a second set.The band then introduces themselves in a joking manner in the banter following If I Lose.
Makes sense they may reintoduce themsleves in this manner for the second set. What follows on Dan's tape goes
through to the end of the set where Jerry states they will be back in 20 minutes. That would have to be a third set.

Track listings for the show put the songs from the circulating 3/7 show (35142) after the songs on Dan's 3/7 tape.
I can find no evidence to support or dispute these listings. If the published track listings are accurate, that
would mean these songs are from the third set.

Maybe 50 years old, but the sound is remarkable!
enjoy!

Bill Proctor
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

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Jerry Garcia
04/14/1964
Unknown location (possibly Dana Morgan's music store?).
Banjo lesson with an unknown student.
Unknown person (possibly student) records the lesson.

source; audience mic to reel to reel recording by unknown student > ? >
              7 1/2 ips reel > Matt Smith (Akai GX-625 > Apogee Mini Me (24/96) >
              Apogee Mini Dac (monitoring/mastering > Wavelab 5.0 (dithered to
              20/44)) > CD
              CD > EAC (tracking and mastering) > CD ( 47:20 ) by Ihor Slabicky

01. Jerry Garcia: "...Reno, I think, does it down here..." > tune 1 (2:01)
02. unk.: "...there's something that you did ... on Joni's song..." > tune 2 (3:28)
03. unk.: "...would you do that thing for..." > tune 3 (0:40)
04. tune 4 > tuning (1:06)
05. tune 5 > Jerry Garcia: "I'm still working on that..." (1:00)
06. tune 6 > Jerry Garcia: "I really like the tune.  it's a pretty tune, but I can't, I could never
       play it right..." (1:00)
07. tune 7 (0:47)
08. unk.: "any pedal steel stuff, you know, like the..." > tune 8 (1:51)
09. tune 9 (1:40)
10. tune 10 (3:18)
11. tune 11 > Jerry Garcia: "...no, a guy's just taping some stuff. You wanna open the door, go
       ahead..." (1:55)
12. tune 12 (0:57)
13. unk.: "Would you show me that break with that phrase in there? > tune 13 (1:50)
14. tune 14 (2:58)
15. Jerry Garcia: "Well, whatta you want me to put on there?" unk.: "...'Red Wing', for one..."
       Jerry Garcia: "...I can't really play that..." > "Red Wing" (tune 15) (2:46)
16. Jerry Garcia: "...you know, I haven't listened to ahh, much Reno..." > tune 16 (1:03)
17. unk.: "...about a month ago...you showed me something that..." > tune 17 (x) (1:24)
18. (x) tune 18 (1:42)
19. tune 19 > Jerry Garcia: "That's a pretty tune." (1:25)
20. tuning > unk.: "'Rawhide'?" Jerry Garcia: "...I haven't really got anything much more to talk
       about. I'm not too happy with the way I play it.  If you really want it that badly." unk.: "Yes,
       yes I do." > tuning (1:03)
21. "Rawhide" (1:35)
22. unk.: "...would you mind breaking down the first chord run on the D?" Jerry Garcia: "...uh-uh, I
       ain't gonna break that...you're gonna havta figger it out yourself..." ? tune 22 >
       Jerry Garcia: "there's a zillion things you can do with that. I mean, it's got so many good
       possibilities... odd chords, you know." (1:21)
23. tune 23 (2:03)
24. tune 24 (3:07)
25. unk.: "How about 'Stoney Creek'?" Jerry Garcia: "(sigh) okay-ah... that's in A, usually." >
       tuning > "Stony Creek" (2:02)
26. Jerry Garcia: "...it's sort of a hard song to organize. I, ahh..." > "Stoney Creek" (1:12)
27. "Stoney Creek" workup (0:56)
28. tune 28 > Jerry Garcia: "By the way, why doncha play alotta that stuff back. I wanna hear what
       it sounds like." unk.: "(laughs)" Jerry Garcia: "Really. No kidding (x)" (1:23)

Jerry Garcia
04/14/1964
Unknown location (possibly Dana Morgan's music store?).
Banjo lesson with an unknown student.
Unknown person (possibly student) records the lesson.

source; audience mic to reel to reel recording by unknown student > ? >
              7 1/2 ips reel > Matt Smith (Akai GX-625 > Apogee Mini Me (24/96) >
              Apogee Mini Dac (monitoring/mastering > Wavelab 5.0 (dithered to
              20/44)) > CD
              CD > EAC (tracking and mastering) > CD ( 45:38 ) by Ihor Slabicky > 

Goody:
dBpoweramp (WAV) > Eool Edit Pro (Pitch Bender +62) > Trader's Little Helper (FLAC, ffp)

01. Jerry Garcia: "...Reno, I think, does it down here..." > tune 1 (1:56)
02. unk.: "...there's something that you did ... on Joni's song..." > tune 2 (3:20)
03. unk.: "...would you do that thing for..." > tune 3 (0:38)
04. tune 4 > tuning (1:03)
05. tune 5 > Jerry Garcia: "I'm still working on that..." (:57)
06. tune 6 > Jerry Garcia: "I really like the tune.  it's a pretty tune, but I can't, I could never
       play it right..." (:58)
07. tune 7 (0:45)
08. unk.: "any pedal steel stuff, you know, like the..." > tune 8 (1:47)
09. tune 9 (1:36)
10. tune 10 (3:10)
11. tune 11 > Jerry Garcia: "...no, a guy's just taping some stuff. You wanna open the door, go
       ahead..." (1:51)
12. tune 12 (0:54)
13. unk.: "Would you show me that break with that phrase in there? > tune 13 (1:45)
14. tune 14 (2:51)
15. Jerry Garcia: "Well, whatta you want me to put on there?" unk.: "...'Red Wing', for one..."
       Jerry Garcia: "...I can't really play that..." > "Red Wing" (tune 15) (2:40)
16. Jerry Garcia: "...you know, I haven't listened to ahh, much Reno..." > tune 16 (1:00)
17. unk.: "...about a month ago...you showed me something that..." > tune 17 (x) (1:21)
18. (x) tune 18 (1:38)
19. tune 19 > Jerry Garcia: "That's a pretty tune." (1:22)
20. tuning > unk.: "'Rawhide'?" Jerry Garcia: "...I haven't really got anything much more to talk
       about. I'm not too happy with the way I play it.  If you really want it that badly." unk.: "Yes,
       yes I do." > tuning (1:00)
21. "Rawhide" (1:32)
22. unk.: "...would you mind breaking down the first chord run on the D?" Jerry Garcia: "...uh-uh, I
       ain't gonna break that...you're gonna havta figger it out yourself..." ? tune 22 >
       Jerry Garcia: "there's a zillion things you can do with that. I mean, it's got so many good
       possibilities... odd chords, you know." (1:18)
23. tune 23 (1:58)
24. tune 24 (3:00)
25. unk.: "How about 'Stoney Creek'?" Jerry Garcia: "(sigh) okay-ah... that's in A, usually." >
       tuning > "Stony Creek" (1:57)
26. Jerry Garcia: "...it's sort of a hard song to organize. I, ahh..." > "Stoney Creek" (1:09)
27. "Stoney Creek" workup (0:53)
28. tune 28 > Jerry Garcia: "By the way, why doncha play alotta that stuff back. I wanna hear what
       it sounds like." unk.: "(laughs)" Jerry Garcia: "Really. No kidding (x)" (1:19)

Goody's comments:
The pitch of this set was approx. 62 cents flat. Although all the frantic pickin' continually puts the strings out of tune, we do hear lots of tuning up going on.  I've tuned to those moments, and checked the rest of it to make sure it all pretty much stays in tune.  I believe it's now back to the correct and original speed and pitch at which it was recorded.

Note that this text has been updated to reflect the changes in the Track Times, as well as the Total Time.  The PDF that circulates with the previous version of this torrent contains all the old times, previous to this Pitch-Corrected Edition.

6/13/09

Mother McCree's Uptown Jug Champions
The Tangent, Palo Alto, CA
7-00-64

Master Tape>Rosoft Audio Tools>CD>EAC>WAV>SHN

Comments & Replies To Terrapin64@comcast.net

Beat It On Down The Line
Im Satisfied
Borneo
He's In The Jailhouse
Monkey & The Engineer
Big Bad Woman
Memphis Blues

Jerry Garcia, Ron McKernan, David
McQueen, Ken Frankel, & Possibly Others
Unknown Location
Unknown Date

Master Audience (?) Reel (Scotch 150) >
playback on Technics RS 1520 @ 7-1/2 ips
no dolby > first gen (?) reel (Scotch 207
recorded via Otari MX5050 @ 7-1/2 ips no
dolby) > playback on Technics RS1506 >
Tascam DA-40 DAT > Tascam CD-RW700 master
CD > CDs > HP 9350i extraction using EAC >
.shn encoding using mkwACT.  Source discs
from Jay Jurina, extraction and .shn
encoding by Joe Jupille.  Sector boundary
alignment confirmed using shntool.

Single Disc (6) 19:45
1. Blues Jam [2:38]
2. Careless Love [1:45] ->
3. In The Pines [2:59]
4. Goin' To Chicago [4:01]
5. 99 Years [5:28]
6. Blue Goose [2:35]

Timings are for tracks, not songs.

DEADLISTS INFORMATION:
COMMENTS Jerry Garcia, Ron "Pigpen" McKernan, other personnel unknown
* "Unident Thing" * Other artists included: Mike Sector.
RECORDINGS 20 A?. Audience recording, possibly from mics placed on stage.
CONTRIBUTORS Jeff Tiedrich , Thayer Jennings

My reasoning for listing this separate (from 06/11/62):
I think the above is the same material you have listed (after Three Men Went
A-Hunting) on 06/11/62. And indeed, this follows Three Men W.A.H. on one of
my copies of 6/11/62... but it's listed separately as "Unident Thing w/ Pig
& Jerry"... that's it -- no date, location, venue. Specific reasons (in no
particular order):
* it's listed on my tape separately
* there is a splice and a marked difference in sound quality and tone
* Pigpen only appears on *this* portion / other personnel have changed
* Sandy Troy's 'Early Garcia Song List' ("Captain Trips," Appendix A) seems
to agree (that the 6/11/62 set ends with Three Men W.A.H.).

My reasoning for listing two sets:
* After Goin' To Chicago, Mike Sector introduces himself (apparently as a
guest act, between sets): "I don't think many of you know me, but I'm a
guest here tonight. My name is Mike Sector and..."(cut) Then cuts into:
crowd silence>applause> Garcia: "Uh, I'm back again, but this time it's
purely secondary, uh... a lot of... perhaps those of you that heard, uh...
Ron play the harmonica, were impressed by his playing... playing, but there
is another side to this... even more impressive, I think.... So, even though
he'd be the last to admit it... I'd better shut up."

Note: And I'm not extremely convinced 'Blue Goose' belongs with this list.
It, too, has a slightly different sound quality and tone. Does that sound
like Garcia's guitar-playing to you?
END DEADLISTS INFORMATION

Black Mountain Boys
Palo Alto, CA
Boar's Head
xx-xx-64 (partial)

SBD->Cassette->CDR->TAE->SHN

01  Two Little Boys
02  Banter
03  Salty Dog Blues
04  Banter
05  Rosalie McFall

Wildwood Boys
wb1964,XX-xx_Palo Alto, CA
Legacy: Stage Mic?> C> CDR> PCM> SHN

wb1964,XX-xx_01-intros, tuning
wb1964,XX-xx_02-Jerry's Breakdown
wb1964,XX-xx_03-banter	
wb1964,XX-xx_04-Standing in the Need of Prayer
wb1964,XX-xx_05-tuning
wb1964,XX-xx_06-Muleskinner Blues
wb1964,XX-xx_07-'unenjoyment' banter
wb1964,XX-xx_08-Satisfied with My Gal
wb1964,XX-xx_09-intro 'Pig Pen'
wb1964,XX-xx_10-The Rub[1]

Jerry Garcia - Banjo
David Nelson - Guitar
Norman ? - Bass
[1] with Pig Pen 

Wave headers fixed/re-shn'ed with shntool by terrapinstation 06/09/2003






Black Mountain Boys
Palo Alto, CA
Boar's Head
xx-xx-64 (partial)

SBD->Cassette->CDR->TAE->SHN>flac sector aligned

more likely line patch from pa system>MR>R>C>CD>DAE>



01  Two Little Boys
02  Banter
03  Salty Dog Blues
04  Banter
05  Rosalie McFall

got this from the late grate tol (rip) removed non canonical headers and fixed sbes>flac
derived from http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=24073
I'd seed the original shn's but I've already seeded these flacs more than once, and don't 
have the shn's anymore
rj Hythloday
bob loy


SHNID	Date	Venue	City	State
17914	1964-03-06	Top of the Tangent	Palo Alto	CA
Black Mountain Boys: SBD->Cassette->CDR->TAE->SHN via David Backus and Wagner
20752	1964-03-07	Top of the Tangent	Palo Alto	CA
Black Mountain Boys, partial set: SBD-> Cassette -> CDR -> TAE -> SHN.
35142	1964-03-07	Top of the Tangent	Palo Alto	CA
Black Mountain Boys: fix/flac of shnid 20752 by Bob Loy.
127499	1964-03-07	Top of the Tangent	Palo Alto	CA
Black Mountain Boys; flac1644; Aud MR > ? > cass. Transferred at 24-bit, 96kHz and edited by Dan McDonald. Transferred using the flat transfer method, using my converted Nakamichi BX1. Correct curve applied through DC9 (alpha). No noise reduction. This recording is in dual-channel mono. Gain-normalized to -1.0 dB. Converted to 16/44.1 using triple precision and triangular dithering.
92079	1964-04-14	Unknown	Unknown	CA
Banjo Lesson: ambient reel to reel recording by unknown student > ? > 7 1/2 ips reel > Matt Smith [Akai GX-625 > Apogee Mini Me (24/96) > Apogee Mini Dac (monitoring/mastering > Wavelab 5.0 (dithered to 20/44))] > CD; CD > EAC (tracking and mastering) > CD by Ihor Slabicky.
100020	1964-04-14	Unknown	Unknown	CA
Pitch corrected version of source ID 92079: source; audience mic to reel to reel recording by unknown student > ? > 7 1/2 ips reel > Matt Smith (Akai GX-625 > Apogee Mini Me (24/96) > Apogee Mini Dac (monitoring/mastering > Wavelab 5.0 (dithered to 20/44)) > CD > EAC (tracking and mastering) > CD ( 45:38 ) by Ihor Slabicky > dBpoweramp (WAV) > Cool Edit Pro (Pitch Bender +62) > Trader's Little Helper (FLAC, ffp)
12696	1964-07-??	Top of the Tangent	Palo Alto	CA
Mother McCree's Uptown Jug Champions: Master Tape > Rosoft Audio Tools > CD > EAC > WAV > SHN.
13605	1964-??-??	Unknown	Unknown	Unknown
Jerry Garcia, Ron McKernan, David McQueen, Ken Frankel, & Possibly Others: Master Audience (?) Reel (Scotch 150) > playback on Technics RS 1520 @ 7-1/2 ips no dolby > first gen (?) reel (Scotch 207 recorded via Otari MX5050 @ 7-1/2 ips no dolby) > playback on Technics RS1506 > Tascam DA-40 DAT > Tascam CD-RW700 master CD > CDs > HP 9350i extraction using EAC > .shn encoding using mkwACT. Source discs from Jay Jurina, extraction and .shn encoding by Joe Jupille. Sector boundary alignment confirmed using shntool.
24073	1964-??-??	Boar's Head	Palo Alto	CA
Black Mountain Boys: SBD->Cassette->CDR->TAE->SHN (partial)
17838	1964-??-??	Unknown	Palo Alto	CA
Wildwood Boys: MA? (Stage Mic?) > C > CDR > PCM > SHN. Note filenames are not per etree convention.
35145	1964-??-??	Unknown	Palo Alto	CA
Black Mountain Boys: flac/fix of shnid 24073 by Bob Loy.

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