John Cipollina

Thunder & Lightning

Thunder and Lighning
Full Moon Saloon
San Francisco, CA
1985-06-08


2nd gen analog sbd recording
digital transter 2021-08 (24-96)


Set 01
01  Long Lonesome Road
02  Blues In The Bottle
03  Going Back To Anna
04  Small Walking Box
05  Down In The Bottom
06  Four Floors Or Forty
07  Left Hand Soul
08  You Can't Hurt Me No More
09  Six Weeks In Reno
10  Set Break Song (YCHMNM theme)

Set 02
11  Nick's Highland Fling
12  Fantasy World
13  Who Do You Love
14  Pride Of Man
15  Did It For The Band
16  Bad Luck Baby
17  Running Out Of West
18  DeKalb Blues

Set 03
19  Move Your Head
20  Top Of Old Smokey
21  My Party
22  Brown Paper Bag
23  Walking Blues


Band:
John Cipollina - guitar, vocals
Greg Elmore - drums
Nick Gravenites - guitar, vocals
Doug Kilmer - bass, vocals


Notes:
-  unfortunately a poor mix for most of the show show; given as 2nd gen sbd but I doubt the generation info
-  light hiss audible in quiet parts
-  "Fantasy World" had just right channel; repaired by pasting
-  during "Drums" portion of WDYL" mix beomes more listenable
-  "Move Your Head" has a cut in middle



Ed Perlstein, who has archived collections by Nick Gravenites, Spencer Dryden, Steve Keyser (John Cipollina's manager) and others, and who currently possesses John Cipollina's personal tapes, was given the approval of John's sister, Antonia, to share John's live and studio outtake recordings in the interest of keeping his music alive for future generations.  Steve Keyser, who recorded most of John's live shows with several different bands while he was his manager, has allowed Ed to digitize his master cassettes, and to share them with John's fans and collectors.

Charlie Kaiser has given us access to his soundboard masters.  He was the Front Of House soundman and recording engineer for virtually all of John's bands from about 1983 until his passing. This included Thunder and Lightning, Dinosaurs, Terry and The Pirates, Problem Child, and any of the spinoff bands.


Thunder & Lightning
Full Moon Saloon
San Francisco, CA
1985-07-05

Recording info: Soundboard cassette master (Sony TC-D5M / Maxell XLII-S 90); FOH mix + recording by Charlie Kaiser via 16 channel Peavy console > mono aux out No Dolby NR
Transfer info: Nakamichi CR-7A > Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.6MHz) > Tascam Hi-Res Editor > 24-bit 96 kHz wav
Transferred by Jim Blackwood in 2024


Set I

01. Chicago Is Your Home
02. Blue Highway
03. Six Weeks In Reno
04. Down In The Bottom
05. Nicks Highland Fling
06. Mama Dont Allow
07. Run Out Of West
08. You Cant Hurt Me No More
09. Four Floors or Forty
10. Dekalb Blues
11. band intro- set outro

Set II

12. Follow Me Baby
13. Small Walk-In Box
14. Pride Of Man
15. Fantasy World
16. Anna
17. Top Of Ol Smokey
18. Brown Paper Bag
19. Who Do You Love
20. I'll Pull The Trigger
21. set outro- band intro

Encores

22. Trouble In Mind
23. Buried Alive
24. My Party
25. I Did It For The Band

Notes:

- Small Walk-In Box fades out at 10:00 mark
- I'll Pull The Trigger has a tape flip at 4:28 that was cross-faded


Source: recorded and mixed Charlie Kaiser
Transfer by Jim Blackwood
Pitch checked by Seth Kaplan
Tagged by Mike Schuncke
Artwork by Bruno
Edited and Mastered by Bruno



Ed Perlstein, who has archived collections by Nick Gravenites, Spencer Dryden, Steve Keyser (John Cipollina's manager) and others, and who currently possesses John Cipollina's personal tapes, was given the approval of John's sister, Antonia, to share John's live and studio outtake recordings in the interest of keeping his music alive for future generations.  Steve Keyser, who recorded most of John's live shows with several different bands while he was his manager, has allowed Ed to digitize his master cassettes, and to share them with John's fans and collectors.

Charlie Kaiser has given us access to his soundboard masters.  He was the Front Of House soundman and recording engineer for virtually all of John's bands from about 1983 until his passing. This included Thunder and Lightning, Dinosaurs, Terry and The Pirates, Problem Child, and any of the spinoff bands.


Thunder & Lightning
Full Moon Saloon
San Francisco, CA
1985-07-05

Recording info: Soundboard cassette master (Sony TC-D5M / Maxell XLII-S 90); FOH mix + recording by Charlie Kaiser via 16 channel Peavy console>mono aux out No Dolby NR
Transfer info: Nakamichi CR-7A > Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.6MHz) > Tascam Hi-Res Editor > 24-bit 96 kHz wav
Transferred by Jim Blackwood in 2024


Set I

01. Chicago Is Your Home
02. Blue Highway
03. Six Weeks In Reno
04. Down In The Bottom
05. Nicks Highland Fling
06. Mama Dont Allow
07. Run Out Of West
08. You Cant Hurt Me No More
09. Four Floors or Forty
10. Dekalb Blues
11. band intro- set outro

Set II

12. Follow Me Baby
13. Small Walk-In Box
14. Pride Of Man
15. Fantasy World
16. Anna
17. Top Of Ol Smokey
18. Brown Paper Bag
19. Who Do You Love
20. I'll Pull The Trigger
21. set outro- band intro

Encores

22. Trouble In Mind
23. Buried Alive
24. My Party
25. I Did It For The Band

Notes:

- Small Walk-In Box fades out at 10:00 mark
- I'll Pull The Trigger has a tape flip at 4:28 that was cross-faded


Source: recorded and mixed Charlie Kaiser
Transfer by Jim Blackwood
Pitch checked by Seth Kaplan
Tagged by Mike Schuncke
Artwork by Bruno
Edited and Mastered by Bruno

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Thunder & Lightning
1985-07-31
Rainbow Tavern
Seattle,WA

AUD>WM-D6>Maxell UDXLII cassettes X 3,No Dolby>Audio-Technica AT9400 Stereo Mic on 6' stand,approx. 12 ' from stage center.
Played back on Nakamichi DR3,azimuth adjusted>soundblaster live!>cdwave>WAV>cd-r>Wav>TLH>flac.
Recorded by with kind permission from john cipollina.
Taped by Michael Robertson & Jerry Balzer.


D1,Set 1:
1)Dekalb Blues
2)Down In The Bottom
3)Six Weeks In Reno
4)You Can't Hurt Me No More
5)Small Walk In Box
6)Pride Of Man
7)Four Floors Or Forty
Begin Set 2:
8)Who Do You Love
9)Who's Out There

D2,End Set 2:
1)Tough As Nails
2)On Top Of Old Smokey
3)Anna
4)Nick's Highland Fling
5)Love Me Or I'll Kill You
6)Born In Chicago
7)Fantasy World
8)Breaktime Jam

D3,Set 3:
1)Walkin' Blues
2)Run Out Of West
3)Herpes Blues
4)My Party
5)I Did It For The Band
6)Mona

NOTE:Some minor level "adjustments" during Mona caused by John Barleycorn.


Thunder & Lightning
The Rainbow
Seattle, WA
1985-08-01

Source:  unknown sbd or a matrix *

Set I

01 //Down At The Bottom
02 Six Weeks In Reno
03 Fantasy World
04 Four Floors Or Forty
05 Left Hand Soul
06 Pride Of Man
07 Dekalb Blues
08 Walkin' Blues
09 Small Walk-In Box
10 Run Out Of West
11 You Can't Hurt//Me No More

Set II

01 Eight Day Clock
02 Love Me Or I'll Kill You
03 Brown Paper Bag
04 Muddy Waters
05 Born In Chicago
06 Dancin' Fool
07 Goin' Back To Anna
08 I'll Pull The Trigger
09 Outro (with band intros)

Set III

01 Bad Luck Baby
02 Buried Alive In The Blues
03 My Party
04 I Did It For The Band
05 Long Lonesome Road
06 Blues Back Off Of Me
07 Mona
08 Herpes Blues >
09 Outro

Nick Gravenites - guitar, vocals
John Cipollina -guitar, vocals
Doug Kilmer - bass, vocals
Greg Elmore - drums

Notes:
- "Down At The Bottom" has a few seconds missing.
- "You Can't Hurt Me No More" had a small cut so I have spliced the two parts together.  Very little appears to be missing.
- "Bad Luck Baby" has minor problem around 2:19
- My copy had two or three curious little gaps at the end of some tracks, which I closed up and then smoothed out the transitions.
- I also removed a few clicks and adjusted the levels.

Comments:
- I've seen this referred to as both a soundboard and a matrix, I'm pretty sure that it's the latter because of the presence of room ambience.
 This is a very crispy recording.  In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if this had been recorded for a live album, it's that good. *

"Anna" has got inside my head and gets me in a spin, just the same way that "Althea" does

Thanks to whoever made a fine job of capturing this wonderful show.

edited and remastered
SIRMick
November 2013


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Thunder and Lightning
Chi Chi Club
San Francisco, CA
1985-08-09

unknown gen analog sbd recording
digital transfer from cassette 2021-10 (16-44)

Set 1 - Disc 1
01 Highway #01
02 Eight Day Clock
03 Down In The Bottom
04 You Can't Hurt Me No More
05 Small Walk-in Box
06 Fantasy World
07 //Running Out Of West
08 Set Break Blues (You Can't Hurt Me No More theme)

Set 2 - Disc 2
01 Smokestack Lightning
02 Mama Don't Allow Me
03 Going Back To Anna
04 Southside
05 Pride Of Man
06 Four Floors or Forty
07 Chief Inspector Blues Police
08 Nick's Highland Fling
09 Top Of Old Smokey
10 Set Break Blues (You Can't Hurt Me No More theme)

Set 3 - Disc 3
01 Born In Chicago
02 Wintry Country Side
03 Who // Do You Love
04 Six Weeks In Reno (1)
05 Did It For The Band
06 My Party
Encore:
07 Mona

Total 2:56:44

Band:
John Cipollina - Guitar, Vocals
Greg Elmore - Drums
Nick Gravenites - Guitar, Vocals
Doug Kilmer - Bass, Vocals

Notes:
-  unfortunately some hiss audible in the quiet parts
-  (1) w/ Sandy Rogers - Vocals
-  "Running Out Of West" cuts in (tape flip)
-  "Who Do You Love" cuts in middle (tape flip)


ï»¿Thunder & Lightning aka Gravenites / Cipollina Band
Caspar Inn
Caspar, CA.
August 17, 1985

Source: Realistic stereo electret microphone>Sony D-5>Maxell XL II 90 minute cassettes>Tascam 130 cassette deck>Edirol R-44>Lexar SD card>iMAC>Audacity>xACT>FLAC

setlist:
01. Small Walk-In Box
02. On Top Of Old Smokey
03. You Cant Hurt Me No More
04. 4 Floors or 40
05. Down in the Bottom
06. Run Out of West
07. Highway One //
08. Who Do You Love
09. Bad Luck Baby
10. I'll Pull the Trigger
11. Mama Dont Allow Me
12. Brown Paper Bag
13. // South Side
14. Basement Jive
15. I Did It For the Band
16. Going Back to Anna
17. outro jam>band introductions
18. Born in Chicago
19. Buried Alive in the Blues

Transferred from the master cassettes August 25, 2016
Slight drop-out in left channel during 'South Side'

cicada notes: Renamed tracks per strict naming conventions at LMA. SBE fix with TLH on November 11, 2022. Generated fresh FFP's and MD5's.





THUNDER & LIGHTNING
Big Chief Lodge,
Lake Tahoe, NV
August 24, 1985

Soundboard

CD 1:
01. I'll Change your Flat Tire, Merle
02. Bad Luck Baby
03. Who Do You Love
04. Outta West
05. 6 Weeks in Reno
06. Love Me Or I'll Kill Ya
07. GoonB A S H Son
08. Momma Won't Allow Me
09. Did it for the Band
10. Outro

CD 2:
01. I'll Pull the Trigger
02. Buried Alive in the Blues
03. If You Know how to Party
04. Southside
05. Anna
06. Dancin' Fool
07. Long Lonesome Road
08. You Gotta Help Me

CD 3:
01. My Baby's Good to Me
02. Born in Chicago
03. Can't Cross Over
04. Herpes Blues
05. Highway One
06. Killin' Floor
07. Mona

Nick Gravenites - guitar, vocals
John Cipollina - guitar
Doug Kilmer - bass, vocals
Greg Elmore - drums


SHNID	Date	Venue	City	State
153522	1985-06-08	Full Moon Saloon	San Francisco	CA
16 bit 2nd gen analog sbd recording
153523	1985-06-08	Full Moon Saloon	San Francisco	CA
24/96 2nd gen analog sbd recording
168037	1985-07-05	Full Moon Saloon	San Francisco	CA
Recording info: Soundboard cassette master (Sony TC-D5M / Maxell XLII-S 90); FOH mix + recording by Charlie Kaiser via 16 channel Peavy console > mono aux out No Dolby NR Transfer info: Nakamichi CR-7A > Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.6MHz) > Tascam Hi-Res Editor > 24-bit 96 kHz wav Transferred by Jim Blackwood in 2024
168038	1985-07-05	Full Moon Saloon	San Francisco	CA
Recording info: Soundboard cassette master (Sony TC-D5M / Maxell XLII-S 90); FOH mix + recording by Charlie Kaiser via 16 channel Peavy console>mono aux out No Dolby NR Transfer info: Nakamichi CR-7A > Tascam DA-3000 (DSF 1-bit/5.6MHz) > Tascam Hi-Res Editor > 24-bit 96 kHz wav Transferred by Jim Blackwood in 2024 edited and mastered by Bruno July 2024
155372	1985-07-31	Rainbow Tavern	Seattle	WA
AUD>WM-D6>Maxell UDXLII cassettes X 3,No Dolby>Audio-Technica AT9400 Stereo Mic on 6' stand,approx. 12 ' from stage center. Played back on Nakamichi DR3,azimuth adjusted>soundblaster live!>cdwave>WAV>cd-r>Wav>TLH>flac.
155371	1985-08-01	Rainbow Tavern	Seattle	WA
Unknown sbd or a matrix
155369	1985-08-09	Chi Chi Club	San Francisco	CA
unknown gen analog sbd recording
158723	1985-08-17	Caspar Inn	Caspar	CA
Realistic stereo electret microphone>Sony D-5>Maxell XL II 90 minute cassettes>Tascam 130 cassette deck>Edirol R-44>Lexar SD card>iMAC>Audacity>xACT>FLAC
155368	1985-08-24	Big Chief Lodge	Lake Tahoe	CA
Soundboard

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