| Identifier | 4996782 |
| Created At | Tue May 23 2023 23:54:00 GMT+0000 (Coordinated Universal Time) |
| Media Type | CDR |
| Media Count | 1 |
| Trades Allowed |
Performance
| Frank Zappa 1969-03-15 Titan Gymnasium, Fullerton, CA | |
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| Set 1 | Bacon Fat The String Quartet The Wild Man Fischer Story* I'm The Meany* Valarie King Kong |
| Set 2 | |
| Set 3 | |
| Comment | Frank Zappa - Electric Guitar, Vocals Jimmy Carl Black - Drums, Vocals Roy Estrada - Electric Bass, Vocals Bunk Gardner - Saxophone, Trumpet, Flute Buzz Gardner - Trumpet Lowell George - Guitar, Vocals Don Preston - Keyboards, Electronics Jim "Motorhead" Sherwood - Baritone Saxophone, Vocals Arthur Dyer Tripp III - Percussion Ian Underwood - not present in this show for virus affliction * - w/ Larry "Wild Man" Fischer On Vocals ------------------------------------------------------ Extract from drdork's research about the date of this show: "Recently I noticed that two different Alice Cooper gig lists were more skeptical about the alleged 68/11/08 Fullerton gig. sickthingsuk asks, "Is there any other evidence that this show happened?" And the Alice Cooper eChive labels it "CANCELLED". So I decided to take another look at the question, with help from some of my fellow Zappateers. 1. Al_Fresco found three items in The Titan, the student newspaper at Cal State Fullerton, in March 1969: an ad and a preview article on March 14 and a captioned photograph on March 18. He found no such items in November 1968 issues. 2. Similarly, Si Halley of the sickthingsuk website found ads in the March 12 and March 15 issues of the Long Beach Independent Press Telegram. He found no such items in November 1968 issues. 3. In the full recording here (but not on the Beat The Boots version of Our Man In Nirvana), FZ makes multiple references in his opening monologue to a gymnasium and to Orange County. It's pretty clear that the tape was recorded in a gym in Orange County. Titan Gymnasium at Cal State Fullerton is not the only gym in Orange County, but it is one. 4. Earlier in that monologue, FZ says, "Due to an unfortunate circumstance, we will not have our normal ten-piece band here tonight. We have only nine pieces because Ian, our alto saxophone player and teen appeal member of the combo, was afflicted with a virus on the east coast and is now lying on his back, coughing and sweating and being fed chicken soup at his girlfriend’s house in New York." If this was recorded on 68/11/08, that was the very first concert featuring Buzz Gardner and Lowell George. It's a bit odd to refer to "our normal ten-piece band" when that line-up hasn't performed a single concert. If, on the other hand, this tape was recorded on 69/03/15, then the full line-up (including Ian, Buzz and Lowell) would have played a handful of west coast gigs in late November, early December and mid January, followed by a month-long tour of the east coast (69/01/31 Boston through 69/03/02 Philadelphia). So the ten-piece band would have been well established (normalized, if you will). 5. Moreover, if this tape dates from 68/11/08, Ian Underwood must have stopped off in New York en route from Europe to Los Angeles and then got sick there and stayed with Ruth. (Which means that the ten-piece line-up might not even have rehearsed together yet.) But if it dates from 69/03/15, we know that Ian was on the east coast tour in February, so all he had to do was get sick and stay there. No special trip or stop-over necessary. 6. old zircon pointed out that in I'm The Meany, Wild Man Fischer sings, "The Beatles talk about me in their movie, movie." This is obviously a reference to Yellow Submarine, which was released in the United States on November 13, five days after the alleged 68/11/08 Fullerton show, but a full four months before the confirmed 69/03/15 Fullerton show. 7. old zircon also pointed out that before Pound For A Brown FZ states that Uncle Meat "is gonna be out in a couple of weeks". The album was released in April 1969, a month after 69/03/15 but five months after 68/11/08. 8. One more old zircon argument: the European tour lasted through 68/10/26 Paris. That leaves less than two weeks to fly back to Los Angeles and rehearse with the two new band members before the alleged 68/11/08 Fullerton show, followed by three weeks off before the next show, 68/11/29 Phoenix. On the other hand, if there was no 68/11/08 Fullerton show, then they have a full month to get back and rehearse before 68/11/29 Phoenix. (There was less than two weeks between 69/03/02 Philadelphia and 69/03/15 Fullerton, but that was the same line-up playing the same repertoire, so it's no problem.) None of the arguments above is conclusive by itself. But taken together, they lead me to conclude that a) no concert by the Mothers Of Invention and Alice Cooper was ever scheduled for Fullerton on November 8, 1968 b) this tape was recorded in Fullerton on March 15, 1969" -------------------- The following songs have previously been attributed to the start of this performance : Feet Light Up A Pound For A Brown On The Bus Sleeping In A Jar |