Velvet Underground 1968-10-04
La Cave, Cleveland, OH
Set 1
1. Move Right In (2:41) *
2. I Can't Stand It (7:58) *
3. What Goes On (5:27)
4. Waiting For The Man (6:08)
5. Pale Blue Eyes (7:36)
6. Foggy Notion (10:54)
7. Heroin (7:18)
8. Jesus (5:26)
9. Venus In Furs (4:13)
10. Beginning To See The Light (6:30)
11. Sister Ray (10:38)
12. Story Of My Life (1:57). *
* 1-2, 12: "Late show" tape
3-11: "Early show" tape
2. I Can't Stand It (7:58) *
3. What Goes On (5:27)
4. Waiting For The Man (6:08)
5. Pale Blue Eyes (7:36)
6. Foggy Notion (10:54)
7. Heroin (7:18)
8. Jesus (5:26)
9. Venus In Furs (4:13)
10. Beginning To See The Light (6:30)
11. Sister Ray (10:38)
12. Story Of My Life (1:57). *
* 1-2, 12: "Late show" tape
3-11: "Early show" tape
Set 2
Set 3
Comment
following information mostly from:
"The Velvet Underground - Live performances and rehearsals - 1968"
http://members.aol.com/olandem2/perf68.html
October 4-6, 1968
La Cave, Cleveland, Ohio
First dates with Doug Yule. Lots of records or tapes refer to a 2/10/68
show at La Cave, but documents prove that the engagement was October 4-6.
Mailers: 3 different mailers, artist unknown.
(see link)
Announcement: in The Plain Dealer (Ohio Largest Newspaper), 4/10/68:
"The S.R.C., appearing with the Velvet Underground this weekend at
La Cave..."
Ad: in The Plain Dealer, Oct. 4, 1968.
(see link)
October '68 La Cave Tapes:
"October 2, 1968" aka "Early show" (tracks 3-11 ... mg)
Tape:
aud, B, 65 mins. Though the date is inaccurate this recording
is usually listed as 2/10/68 - it circulates also sometimes as "October
21, 1968"... Pale Blue Eyes has false start so that Lou's mic can be
turned up. Sources: Live '68 LP (1, 4), Problems In Urban Living CD (1-9),
Peel Slowly And See 5CD (1), Searchin' For My Mainline 3LP and 3 CD (2).
1. What Goes On (5'25)
2. Waiting For The Man (5'56)
3. Pale Blue Eyes (false start 1'12; 6'09)
4. Foggy Notion (10'32)
5. Heroin (7'16)
6. Jesus (5'12)
7. Venus In Furs (4'07)
8. Beginning To See The Light (6'18)
9. Sister Ray (10'30)
"October 4, 1968" aka "Late show" (tracks 1-2, 12 ... mg)
Tape:
aud, B, 13 mins. A 4/10/68 tape is listed in WGO 1+2, but the
venue stated is Music Hall, 70 mins, B. Some of the tapes circulating
have also What Goes On (but in fact it sounds exactly like the "2/10/68"
version), I'm Set Free and Sister Ray (same as the "30/11/68"/"October
1969" misdated tape). Source: Live '68 LP (1, 2), Problems In Urban Living CD (1-3).
1. Move Right In (2'40)
2. I Can't Stand It (7'57)
3. That's The Story Of My Life (1'57)
"October 26, 1968"
Tape:
aud, B-, 7 mins. Once again this is a misdated recording (the VU
were at the Whisky A Go Go in Los Angeles on this date). The complete tape
is listed in WGO 1+2, 55 mins, B, with the same tracklist as on the "2/10/68"
tape. My guess is that version could actually be from October 4 late show.
1. What Goes On (5'45)
These shows were recorded by Jaime Klimek, who was later in the notorious
Cleveland art-punk combos Mirrors and The Styrenes. The Live '68 liner notes
say that the shows were "recorded on a mono Norelco cassette recorder using
a hand held mike and a Norelco C-120 cassette". According to some sources
the second tape could be a late show performed October 2nd. However after
researches in Cleveland press archives, it appears now that the La Cave engagement
was October 4-6, which is confirmed by the La Cave program, reprinted on inside
cover of Feed-Back book. My Guess is that Jaime Klimek recorded two sets on
October 4, and that those are the source for the tapes now circulating. Klimek
taped every single Cleveland Velvets show from the Plastic Exploding Inevitable
on out but most of those tapes unfortunately haven't surfaced. People who had
chance to hear them all say that there is still some excellent stuff that hasn't
surfaced, like the long, winding Sweet Sister Ray intro to Sister Ray that goes
on for some 15 minutes of trippy, dreamy VU, and a superb Waitin' For My Man with Cale.
There are Cleveland late October 1968 dates often listed. First there is an
October 23, 1968 show at La Cave supposedly documented by the Murder
Mystery LP. Actually Sister Ray/Murder Mystery and Waiting For The Man come
from the 28/1/69 show; What Goes On, Venus In Furs, That's The Story Of My
Life come from the early October '68 shows. Then there is the tape listed
as October 26, 1968, La Cave (see below) mentionned on WGO "Reeling in
the VU" list. Tracklisting is identical to the "Oct. 2" tape, so I think
those tapes may be the same. On the other hand there is a What Goes On
version circulating on tape, recorded at La Cave, and dated 26/10/68, which
is clearly different from the "2/10/68" version. However that may be it is
almost sure that there was no Cleveland show in late October 1968 because
the Velvets were on tour on West Coast. Also after researches in Cleveland
press microfilms made by Aral Sezen, no evidence that these shows exist has
been found. Last thing there is a tape which circulates as "La Cave, February
10, 1969". This one is really a mix of early October 1968 recordings and
Hilltop Festival, August 2, 1969...
Klimek: In the period of April '67 to Mar '69 the Velvets played Cleveland 7
times. After an appearance with the Exploding Plastic Inevitable at Public
Hall, they returned 5 times to play a basement club called La Cave, situated
between a ghetto and the Cleveland Orchestra's home, Severance Hall. Located
beneath the local social security offices, the former coffee house was virtually
the only place during that period in which the band could play, the only other
options being the Music Hall, a 3,000 seat auditorium, and the 10,000 seat Public
Hall which was more suited to circuses and expositions. La Cave's dimensions
were 60'x125' with a seating capacity of 250-300. The club would generally book
rock bands to play Fri-Sat, two shows a night with an occasional 3:00 Sunday
afternoon show. For the mere sum of $3.50 entrance was gained to a dimly lit
rectangle with burlap and church pews covering one long wall, the stage on the
other, and tables in between. The PA was Voice Of the Theaters powered by a low
tech amp and mixed by a rudimentary board. The stage was a platform 10 inch high
with barely enough room for the Velvets stage gear, which was comprised at first
of double cabinet Vox amps, later changed to Acoustic amps. The drums had to be
put on Lou's right, on the floor next to the PA cabinet. On Oct 2, 1968 the VU
came in for another 3 day stand. With Cale being given the boot in late August,
this marks Yule's first public appearance with the band, and Reed rose magnificently
to the occasion with marvelous guitarwork and much more forceful vocals than had
been his wont. Sterling put the finishing touches on his bid for the title of the
worlds greatest rhythm guitarist. (Live '68 LP liner notes, 1983)
"The Velvet Underground - Live performances and rehearsals - 1968"
http://members.aol.com/olandem2/perf68.html
October 4-6, 1968
La Cave, Cleveland, Ohio
First dates with Doug Yule. Lots of records or tapes refer to a 2/10/68
show at La Cave, but documents prove that the engagement was October 4-6.
Mailers: 3 different mailers, artist unknown.
(see link)
Announcement: in The Plain Dealer (Ohio Largest Newspaper), 4/10/68:
"The S.R.C., appearing with the Velvet Underground this weekend at
La Cave..."
Ad: in The Plain Dealer, Oct. 4, 1968.
(see link)
October '68 La Cave Tapes:
"October 2, 1968" aka "Early show" (tracks 3-11 ... mg)
Tape:
aud, B, 65 mins. Though the date is inaccurate this recording
is usually listed as 2/10/68 - it circulates also sometimes as "October
21, 1968"... Pale Blue Eyes has false start so that Lou's mic can be
turned up. Sources: Live '68 LP (1, 4), Problems In Urban Living CD (1-9),
Peel Slowly And See 5CD (1), Searchin' For My Mainline 3LP and 3 CD (2).
1. What Goes On (5'25)
2. Waiting For The Man (5'56)
3. Pale Blue Eyes (false start 1'12; 6'09)
4. Foggy Notion (10'32)
5. Heroin (7'16)
6. Jesus (5'12)
7. Venus In Furs (4'07)
8. Beginning To See The Light (6'18)
9. Sister Ray (10'30)
"October 4, 1968" aka "Late show" (tracks 1-2, 12 ... mg)
Tape:
aud, B, 13 mins. A 4/10/68 tape is listed in WGO 1+2, but the
venue stated is Music Hall, 70 mins, B. Some of the tapes circulating
have also What Goes On (but in fact it sounds exactly like the "2/10/68"
version), I'm Set Free and Sister Ray (same as the "30/11/68"/"October
1969" misdated tape). Source: Live '68 LP (1, 2), Problems In Urban Living CD (1-3).
1. Move Right In (2'40)
2. I Can't Stand It (7'57)
3. That's The Story Of My Life (1'57)
"October 26, 1968"
Tape:
aud, B-, 7 mins. Once again this is a misdated recording (the VU
were at the Whisky A Go Go in Los Angeles on this date). The complete tape
is listed in WGO 1+2, 55 mins, B, with the same tracklist as on the "2/10/68"
tape. My guess is that version could actually be from October 4 late show.
1. What Goes On (5'45)
These shows were recorded by Jaime Klimek, who was later in the notorious
Cleveland art-punk combos Mirrors and The Styrenes. The Live '68 liner notes
say that the shows were "recorded on a mono Norelco cassette recorder using
a hand held mike and a Norelco C-120 cassette". According to some sources
the second tape could be a late show performed October 2nd. However after
researches in Cleveland press archives, it appears now that the La Cave engagement
was October 4-6, which is confirmed by the La Cave program, reprinted on inside
cover of Feed-Back book. My Guess is that Jaime Klimek recorded two sets on
October 4, and that those are the source for the tapes now circulating. Klimek
taped every single Cleveland Velvets show from the Plastic Exploding Inevitable
on out but most of those tapes unfortunately haven't surfaced. People who had
chance to hear them all say that there is still some excellent stuff that hasn't
surfaced, like the long, winding Sweet Sister Ray intro to Sister Ray that goes
on for some 15 minutes of trippy, dreamy VU, and a superb Waitin' For My Man with Cale.
There are Cleveland late October 1968 dates often listed. First there is an
October 23, 1968 show at La Cave supposedly documented by the Murder
Mystery LP. Actually Sister Ray/Murder Mystery and Waiting For The Man come
from the 28/1/69 show; What Goes On, Venus In Furs, That's The Story Of My
Life come from the early October '68 shows. Then there is the tape listed
as October 26, 1968, La Cave (see below) mentionned on WGO "Reeling in
the VU" list. Tracklisting is identical to the "Oct. 2" tape, so I think
those tapes may be the same. On the other hand there is a What Goes On
version circulating on tape, recorded at La Cave, and dated 26/10/68, which
is clearly different from the "2/10/68" version. However that may be it is
almost sure that there was no Cleveland show in late October 1968 because
the Velvets were on tour on West Coast. Also after researches in Cleveland
press microfilms made by Aral Sezen, no evidence that these shows exist has
been found. Last thing there is a tape which circulates as "La Cave, February
10, 1969". This one is really a mix of early October 1968 recordings and
Hilltop Festival, August 2, 1969...
Klimek: In the period of April '67 to Mar '69 the Velvets played Cleveland 7
times. After an appearance with the Exploding Plastic Inevitable at Public
Hall, they returned 5 times to play a basement club called La Cave, situated
between a ghetto and the Cleveland Orchestra's home, Severance Hall. Located
beneath the local social security offices, the former coffee house was virtually
the only place during that period in which the band could play, the only other
options being the Music Hall, a 3,000 seat auditorium, and the 10,000 seat Public
Hall which was more suited to circuses and expositions. La Cave's dimensions
were 60'x125' with a seating capacity of 250-300. The club would generally book
rock bands to play Fri-Sat, two shows a night with an occasional 3:00 Sunday
afternoon show. For the mere sum of $3.50 entrance was gained to a dimly lit
rectangle with burlap and church pews covering one long wall, the stage on the
other, and tables in between. The PA was Voice Of the Theaters powered by a low
tech amp and mixed by a rudimentary board. The stage was a platform 10 inch high
with barely enough room for the Velvets stage gear, which was comprised at first
of double cabinet Vox amps, later changed to Acoustic amps. The drums had to be
put on Lou's right, on the floor next to the PA cabinet. On Oct 2, 1968 the VU
came in for another 3 day stand. With Cale being given the boot in late August,
this marks Yule's first public appearance with the band, and Reed rose magnificently
to the occasion with marvelous guitarwork and much more forceful vocals than had
been his wont. Sterling put the finishing touches on his bid for the title of the
worlds greatest rhythm guitarist. (Live '68 LP liner notes, 1983)
Sources
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